South Dakota to implement weight descension and OPC
Quote from TigerPride on November 3, 2022, 2:39 pmKick me if I am wrong but am I correct in believing ND has already done this?
Here is the quick overview that was provided to me on the SD board:
We are finalizing the training videos for the assessors and hope to have it out to schools soon. Essentially, the first week of the season the kids will have to get a body composition analysis and a hydration test. We purchased 8 sets of the scales/refractometers and think we will have 10-12 sites across the state. It is a quick process. You do a hydration (urine) test to determine specific gravity. If you pass that you move on and step on the scale, enter age and height, and it prints out your current fat percentage and minimum weight based on 7% (boys) or 12% (girls) body fat. The print out is like a gas receipt. This information is entered into the track wrestling OPC system and it gives you a descent plan based on that body composition and a max of 1.5% weight loss per week. Weights are entered after events and the descent plan changes accordingly. Should be finalized and out to schools shortly.
If this is what ND is doing (or at least similar) what are your thoughts. Are there any gotchas or things that need extra attention with the initial implementation.
I do recall some comments about kids walking around naturally under 7 % but don't recall much issue beyond that. It's new to us in SD so any info you have is helpful.
Kick me if I am wrong but am I correct in believing ND has already done this?
Here is the quick overview that was provided to me on the SD board:
We are finalizing the training videos for the assessors and hope to have it out to schools soon. Essentially, the first week of the season the kids will have to get a body composition analysis and a hydration test. We purchased 8 sets of the scales/refractometers and think we will have 10-12 sites across the state. It is a quick process. You do a hydration (urine) test to determine specific gravity. If you pass that you move on and step on the scale, enter age and height, and it prints out your current fat percentage and minimum weight based on 7% (boys) or 12% (girls) body fat. The print out is like a gas receipt. This information is entered into the track wrestling OPC system and it gives you a descent plan based on that body composition and a max of 1.5% weight loss per week. Weights are entered after events and the descent plan changes accordingly. Should be finalized and out to schools shortly.
If this is what ND is doing (or at least similar) what are your thoughts. Are there any gotchas or things that need extra attention with the initial implementation.
I do recall some comments about kids walking around naturally under 7 % but don't recall much issue beyond that. It's new to us in SD so any info you have is helpful.
Quote from Dakota Grappler on November 4, 2022, 7:22 amND has been using the OPC System for many years and it really does take a learning curve to use it. After years I really don't think we will go away from it. Once wrestlers are hydrated and tested for fat percentage they then go on a decent program (yes max of 1.5% of your body weight a week is then allowed) it tells you the date you can reach certain weight/weight class. Once a wrestler meets their weight class at 7% body fat that is the lowest they can go. Then at any time they weigh in it is recorded if they weigh in more than one weight class above their lowest weight class their weight decent starts over... It does not start over if they weigh in one class above theirs.
Correct me if I am wrong... so if a wrestlers plan says they can make 154.0 they can make 152 after Christmas and you get your 2lb weight allowance.
Correct me if I am wrong... If I my weight decent says I can make 152 and I make 152 then a couple weeks later I weigh in at 161 my weight decent the weight decent starts over at 161 and only 1.5% weight can be lost per week again. So it will take about 3 weeks to go 152 again... Yes
What we found is that wrestlers have to maintain their weights better and they are not cutting too hard to do that.
ND has been using the OPC System for many years and it really does take a learning curve to use it. After years I really don't think we will go away from it. Once wrestlers are hydrated and tested for fat percentage they then go on a decent program (yes max of 1.5% of your body weight a week is then allowed) it tells you the date you can reach certain weight/weight class. Once a wrestler meets their weight class at 7% body fat that is the lowest they can go. Then at any time they weigh in it is recorded if they weigh in more than one weight class above their lowest weight class their weight decent starts over... It does not start over if they weigh in one class above theirs.
Correct me if I am wrong... so if a wrestlers plan says they can make 154.0 they can make 152 after Christmas and you get your 2lb weight allowance.
Correct me if I am wrong... If I my weight decent says I can make 152 and I make 152 then a couple weeks later I weigh in at 161 my weight decent the weight decent starts over at 161 and only 1.5% weight can be lost per week again. So it will take about 3 weeks to go 152 again... Yes
What we found is that wrestlers have to maintain their weights better and they are not cutting too hard to do that.
Quote from Mitch Greenwood on November 15, 2022, 2:57 pmJon-
You are correct- If a weight descent plan says 154, they could make that with the growth allowance after Christmas and never have to make the scratch weight or never technically be eligible for that scratch weight.
On your second point- Yes to an extent. If 152 is your LOWEST minimum weight that you are eligible for, you can make the weight, then weigh anything you want as long as it is below the next highest weight class, and be instantly eligible to make weight at 152 again. Example- Saturday you make 152.0. Tuesday you have a dual and weigh 159.9, you would be eligible for 152 again immediately as long as 152 is your lowest eligible weight class... But if you are eligible to make 145 and you make 152 and then jump up to 159.9, you would have to go back down 1.5%/week. You can also have NDHSAA change your lowest eligible weight class to help take advantage of this. Have seen/done it on. many occasions. Say a kid weighs 210 when he fat tests and his test says he can go to 170. He can have his lowest eligible weight changed to 195 so when he gets to that weight he can use this advantage. But once that change is made it cannot be reversed.
One other thing to keep in mind- If an athlete takes their initial test below 7% body fat, they will need to get doctor clearance to compete at that weight... Even if they just had a physical. They will have to go back to the Dr. Again... can be a pain in the butt, especially if taking fat tests at a date very near first competition dates.
Jon-
You are correct- If a weight descent plan says 154, they could make that with the growth allowance after Christmas and never have to make the scratch weight or never technically be eligible for that scratch weight.
On your second point- Yes to an extent. If 152 is your LOWEST minimum weight that you are eligible for, you can make the weight, then weigh anything you want as long as it is below the next highest weight class, and be instantly eligible to make weight at 152 again. Example- Saturday you make 152.0. Tuesday you have a dual and weigh 159.9, you would be eligible for 152 again immediately as long as 152 is your lowest eligible weight class... But if you are eligible to make 145 and you make 152 and then jump up to 159.9, you would have to go back down 1.5%/week. You can also have NDHSAA change your lowest eligible weight class to help take advantage of this. Have seen/done it on. many occasions. Say a kid weighs 210 when he fat tests and his test says he can go to 170. He can have his lowest eligible weight changed to 195 so when he gets to that weight he can use this advantage. But once that change is made it cannot be reversed.
One other thing to keep in mind- If an athlete takes their initial test below 7% body fat, they will need to get doctor clearance to compete at that weight... Even if they just had a physical. They will have to go back to the Dr. Again... can be a pain in the butt, especially if taking fat tests at a date very near first competition dates.
Quote from Armbar on January 5, 2023, 10:16 amIn ND if your minimum weight class is 145 but you never plan to go down, then you can "Certify" at 152 and not have to have worry about being over on a Tuesday dual for the weekend. Once you make your target weight class, we used to be able to certify them at that weight so as not to run into the problems you described. I've been out of it 4 years now so IDK if its changed.
In ND if your minimum weight class is 145 but you never plan to go down, then you can "Certify" at 152 and not have to have worry about being over on a Tuesday dual for the weekend. Once you make your target weight class, we used to be able to certify them at that weight so as not to run into the problems you described. I've been out of it 4 years now so IDK if its changed.
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