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rider215

EDC question
« on: February 11, 2012, 02:56:46 PM »
I heard Sean Murphy got DQd in the first round. If you get DQd can you advance in the tourney or are you done for the day?
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Dakota Grappler

Re: EDC question
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 03:02:02 PM »
Depends if it was unsportsman like or not...?
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rider215

Re: EDC question
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2012, 03:16:16 PM »
I heard he was called for biting. I was told the cut on his opponents arm was from Seans braces when he got crossfaced. As of right now it sounds like he is out.  If it wasn't a bite I sure do feel bad for Sean
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Little Paulie

Re: EDC question
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 08:04:29 PM »
According to the brackets on trackwrestling he forfeited all of the matches he was suppose to wrestle, but still ends up getting 8th because of his first round win and the byes he received in the consolation bracket.
Wesley Johnson

GFm

Re: EDC question
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 12:56:46 AM »
I was there, standing near the trainers, who said the scratches where from Murphy's braces, his mouth guard was knocked out, and the other kid did a cross face.  Apparently the official didn't hear the trainers opinion, or didn't listen..   

Later the Davies wrestler flipped the bird to some of the Red River fans that where cheering  for the person who pinned him his second match.  Many people observed the behavior by the kid, flipping the bird, including the kids father.

Murphy handled it with class although extremely dissappointed that a bad call is going to keep him from going to state.

The talk around the mats from most of the coaches was that they have watch Murphy wrestle for many years and he has been nothing but class.  Has always displayed great sportsmanship. 

Shoot First

Re: EDC question
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 01:56:37 AM »
Murphy has braces and is required by rule to wear a mouth guard.  Mouth guard was knocked out of his mouth from the previous cross face, match should have been stopped to re-insert mouth guard, it  was not.  Davies kid threw another cross face and Murph's mouth appeared to be open, This is where the braces marks on the Davies kid arm came from.  Ref took no time to analyze the situation, and  rushed to judgement.

Murph should be allowed to wrestle next weekend, plain and simple!!
« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 03:35:20 AM by Shoot First »
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FDSNW-fan

Re: EDC question
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 03:08:27 AM »
Going to let the powers that be handle this.

« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 03:31:42 AM by FDSNW-fan »

Gopherfan

Re: EDC question
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 03:13:23 AM »
Davies kid is a wannabe Murph got screwed plain and simple.

slokey74

Re: EDC question
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 03:15:36 AM »
Doesn't class A take the top 8 from each region?  Track Wrestling has only 8 people in the 120lb bracket., so everyone would go then, correct?  Is there a rule that says if you get DQ at regionals you are done at state?  What if a guy is in the finals and gets DQ for a slam or something in the finals match, can he wrestle at state then?
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FDSNW-fan

Re: EDC question
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2012, 03:19:07 AM »
Doesn't class A take the top 8 from each region?  Track Wrestling has only 8 people in the 120lb bracket., so everyone would go then, correct?  Is there a rule that says if you get DQ at regionals you are done at state?  What if a guy is in the finals and gets DQ for a slam or something in the finals match, can he wrestle at state then?

I don't know what the rules are, but I heard Seans dad telling another guy that Sean couldn't wrestle at state. I hope he just misunderstood.

Apollo

Re: EDC question
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2012, 03:24:12 AM »
I was there, standing near the trainers, who said the scratches where from Murphy's braces, his mouth guard was knocked out, and the other kid did a cross face.  Apparently the official didn't hear the trainers opinion, or didn't listen..   

Later the Davies wrestler flipped the bird to some of the Red River fans that where cheering  for the person who pinned him his second match.  Many people observed the behavior by the kid, flipping the bird, including the kids father.

Murphy handled it with class although extremely dissappointed that a bad call is going to keep him from going to state.

The talk around the mats from most of the coaches was that they have watch Murphy wrestle for many years and he has been nothing but class.  Has always displayed great sportsmanship.

You forgot mention the "cheering" was at a rather obnoxious and unnecessary level. Whether or not Murphy intended to bite him I do not know, but there were deep marks on the Davies wrestlers arm. Its unfortunate that an event like this had happened but for God's sake, you are criticizing AN 8TH GRADER and a Dad, who probably thought the yelling from the crowd was unfair treatment to his son. This topic needs to be dropped.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 03:30:39 AM by Apollo »

GFm

Re: EDC question
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2012, 03:31:19 AM »
No need to jump on the kid, his dad is his role model after all.  The kid doesn't stand a chance with the behavior his dad displayed.  As they say the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree!
Anyone want to vouche for that guy?  Anyone?   

BTW, why was that guy down on the floor anyway? I thought they only allowed wrestlers, coaches, workers, media.  He didn't seem to qualify for one of those.   

Seems like there are enough people down there without parents hanging around the mats.  He wasn't the only one, but just the one that stuck out in the crowd  ;)

GFm

Re: EDC question
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 03:46:53 AM »
I heard him yell revenge of the irish! or maybe justice of the irish no profanity.   i did see the kid flip the bird which is unsportsman like conduct, isn't it?  I'm not the only one who saw it.  I did see the Davies parent yell for Murphy to go outside. I also saw him bolt up stairs to confront Murphy.
Murphy was told by the police if the guy so much as talks to hiim agan to call 911.
So, are you vouching for the Davies parent?

Where was the alledged bite?  I know it was the right arm, but what was the exact location?    I could see him showing it to Murphy.

BTW,  8th grade is a great time to teach a kid it isn't appropriate to give someone the finger!  just saying...

btw,  Sean handled the incident with class as he always does.  He is a class act just ask anyone.

I don't have anything new to add, so I'm done.  I don't think it should be dropped however...
« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 04:21:16 AM by GFm »

fadedglory

Re: EDC question
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2012, 05:06:37 AM »
From what I could tell,

Murphy's mouth guard fell out. Match should have been stopped.

Finch threw a crossface, alleged bite occurs.

Ref stops match, sees blood and/or markings (not sure which), declares Finch winner by DQ.


I saw a few different moral gray areas surrounding the match:

1. After inspecting the "bite," the trainer declares the wound to be from Murphy's braces, that it was not a bite mark. Was this taken into account?
2. Why wasn't a head referee consulted before the DQ was enacted?
3. Was anyone at all consulted before the DQ was enacted?


As for the problems of coaching integrity, parenting or lack thereof for both parties, and the topic of questionable calls, all I have to say is this:

It really is just a high school match, but if there was no bite, its a really bad deal for Murphy.
If the alleged finger-giving/threats/justice for the Irish (and all the other whatnot), that's a problem best dealt with in the home. It is up to a parent to set an example for a child, and if that's the way they choose to set it, so be it. (grow up for pete's sake)
I think the situation could have been handled in a better way. GFRR fans are now labeling FD wrestlers as cheap, FD fans think Murphy is an awful kid, both sets of parents showed social ineptitude, and Finch was even Boo'ed on the podium! I can't help but to think that the situation was handled poorly.

I think some of the blame lands on the ref. No margin of error should be left when dealing with DQ's; Murphy most likely won't be at state, and Finch has been exposed to some criticism that probably shouldn't fall on his shoulders, as an 8th grade student athlete.

This will come across as naive, but I think we could use a little sportsmanship and a little honesty.
More than anything, I hope this incident leads to a more transparent protocol for dealing with "iffy" situations or "tough" calls on the mat. 
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GFm

Re: EDC question
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2012, 01:59:32 PM »
OK, I'm almost done.

Nope, GFRR parents aren't labeling Davie's wrestlers cheap.  I know because I heard them say so, they have a lot of respect for wrestlers like Cole Mehring, the Crissler's, Alexander and many others.  I can't think of one parent or wrestler that thinks Davie's wrestlers are cheap.  I observed many Davies parents apporach Sean Murphy and pat him on the back, they know he isn't an aweful kid.  They showed alot of class.   I saw Sean Murphy go up to the Tournament director and shake his hand and thank him as they were leaving.   I guess hidden in all the other incidents there was some sportsmanship displayed.  Just not as visible as the ugly stuff.

 This is a bad unfortunate incident, that can be corrected.  Get it corrected and move on.

The Davies kid should be congratulated on his finish.  3rd place is a accomplishment for an 8th grader.  To bad it had to be drapped in controversy.